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		<title>By: Corn and Oil &#187; New Bulletin About HR 3753/S 1691</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-3936</link>
		<dc:creator>Corn and Oil &#187; New Bulletin About HR 3753/S 1691</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Illinois homeschool=private school.&#160; Harvey Bluedorn wrote up a good piece about this issue of specifying &quot;home school&quot; in legislation when the problem was presented a few years ago by the same organization who is apparently on the lookout for new business. An excerpt from Mr. Bluedorn: Private education in Illinois is free of government regulation, and we must not begin to surrender that fundamental freedom through any kind of legislation which permits it to exist - even if that legislation comes in the guise of &#8220;no regulations attached.&#8221; The mere permission itself is a regulation which transforms a right into a privilege. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Illinois homeschool=private school.&nbsp; Harvey Bluedorn wrote up a good piece about this issue of specifying &quot;home school&quot; in legislation when the problem was presented a few years ago by the same organization who is apparently on the lookout for new business. An excerpt from Mr. Bluedorn: Private education in Illinois is free of government regulation, and we must not begin to surrender that fundamental freedom through any kind of legislation which permits it to exist &#8211; even if that legislation comes in the guise of &ldquo;no regulations attached.&rdquo; The mere permission itself is a regulation which transforms a right into a privilege. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2765</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know which group you mean, but honestly, every time I see TO I think of Toronto, which has my equal loathing, since I do not live there and am not, therefore, the centre of the universe. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know which group you mean, but honestly, every time I see TO I think of Toronto, which has my equal loathing, since I do not live there and am not, therefore, the centre of the universe. <img src='http://atypicalhomeschool.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kim c</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2499</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, whew, now I get it. I was thinking for awhile that Canada maybe had it&#039;s own version of this group with a different name which was doing similar things. Turns out it is the same mega group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, whew, now I get it. I was thinking for awhile that Canada maybe had it&#8217;s own version of this group with a different name which was doing similar things. Turns out it is the same mega group.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daryl: Probably a number of reasons. However, the most important (from my perspective) is search engines and the algorithms they use to determine what links to put up on the first page of results. If you&#039;re interested in further technical details, send me an email and I will explain on the weekend.

Billi-Jean: Susan identified the organization in her comment.

In general: Thanks for all the trackbacks and passing along other jurisdictions where similar things have or are occurring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daryl: Probably a number of reasons. However, the most important (from my perspective) is search engines and the algorithms they use to determine what links to put up on the first page of results. If you&#8217;re interested in further technical details, send me an email and I will explain on the weekend.</p>
<p>Billi-Jean: Susan identified the organization in her comment.</p>
<p>In general: Thanks for all the trackbacks and passing along other jurisdictions where similar things have or are occurring.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I hadn&#039;t noticed until now, but it is very fitting that you wrote this, with these parallels, on Juneteenth.
http://www.juneteenth.com/welcome.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I hadn&#8217;t noticed until now, but it is very fitting that you wrote this, with these parallels, on Juneteenth.<br />
<a href="http://www.juneteenth.com/welcome.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.juneteenth.com/welcome.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Corn and Oil &#187; &#8220;Kids Flee Homeschool Cop&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2467</link>
		<dc:creator>Corn and Oil &#187; &#8220;Kids Flee Homeschool Cop&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What made me think about this?&#160; The &#8217;stuff&#8217; going on in IL; specifically with the Kim Harris/Marion &quot;homeschool truancy&quot; &quot;test case&quot;.&#160;&#160;&#160; And Atypical Homeschool&#8217;s post about That Organization - II. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What made me think about this?&nbsp; The &#8217;stuff&#8217; going on in IL; specifically with the Kim Harris/Marion &quot;homeschool truancy&quot; &quot;test case&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And Atypical Homeschool&#8217;s post about That Organization &#8211; II. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Ryan</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Do you see why I dropped the N? Because HoDA isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a non discrimination bill. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a discrimination bill. The purpose it would have served, if it had passed, would be to force the state to recognize (and provide preferential treatment to) homeschoolers who were eligible for membership in TO and to reject homeschoolers who were not eligible for membership in TO.&lt;/em&gt;

What is disturbing is reading the same common links and problems about TO.  
In Illinois, a few years back, a backroom deal was made with a regional office of education bully supt; Dennison. And when the first deal came to light, they had to face some music. The IL Leader doesn&#039;t exist anymore but here is the quote from November 2002:
&lt;em&gt;Dennison and Klicka agreed last week that if any family in Dennison&#039;s jurisdiction of Bureau, Stark and Henry counties would become members of the legal defense group, HSLDA will become an agent providing what Dennison wants: &quot;burden of proof&quot; that they are, indeed, obeying the compulsory attendance law by having their children &quot;attend school&quot; from ages 7 to 16.
Carol Severson, home schooling mother in the area and Home School Coordinator for Eagle Forum of Illinois is not happy with the arrangement.
&quot;While this may be a good arrangement for the families directly involved in this problem, what will happen to the other families throughout the state who aren&#039;t members of HSLDA?&quot; Severson asked today. &quot;What will happen when Dennison tells his colleagues in the regional superintendents network what he was able to arrange?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

4 days later came the &#039;denial&#039;:
&lt;em&gt;Contrary to a news report published after WND&#039;s story, the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, or HSLDA, has not worked out a &quot;deal&quot; with Dennison regarding families who are members of the Virginia-based group.
HSLDA senior counsel Chris Klicka believes, however, that Dennison will not press the cases of the five families who are members of his group. The HSLDA also has made an exception to its policy, Klicka said, and will allow any of the other families under scrutiny to join. Normally, a family must be a member before it runs into problems with authorities in order to receive the group&#039;s legal assistance. &lt;/em&gt;
Now which person could we believe is telling the truth?  A local homeschooler in the middle of that horrid mess or Chris Klicka, who is Ã¢â‚¬Å“allowÃ¢â‚¬Âing others to join? What a deal!
And Carol Severson&#039;s prediction about the fallout across the state was dead on.  Unfortunately. HoDA, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Do you see why I dropped the N? Because HoDA isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a non discrimination bill. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a discrimination bill. The purpose it would have served, if it had passed, would be to force the state to recognize (and provide preferential treatment to) homeschoolers who were eligible for membership in TO and to reject homeschoolers who were not eligible for membership in TO.</em></p>
<p>What is disturbing is reading the same common links and problems about TO.<br />
In Illinois, a few years back, a backroom deal was made with a regional office of education bully supt; Dennison. And when the first deal came to light, they had to face some music. The IL Leader doesn&#8217;t exist anymore but here is the quote from November 2002:<br />
<em>Dennison and Klicka agreed last week that if any family in Dennison&#8217;s jurisdiction of Bureau, Stark and Henry counties would become members of the legal defense group, HSLDA will become an agent providing what Dennison wants: &#8220;burden of proof&#8221; that they are, indeed, obeying the compulsory attendance law by having their children &#8220;attend school&#8221; from ages 7 to 16.<br />
Carol Severson, home schooling mother in the area and Home School Coordinator for Eagle Forum of Illinois is not happy with the arrangement.<br />
&#8220;While this may be a good arrangement for the families directly involved in this problem, what will happen to the other families throughout the state who aren&#8217;t members of HSLDA?&#8221; Severson asked today. &#8220;What will happen when Dennison tells his colleagues in the regional superintendents network what he was able to arrange?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>4 days later came the &#8216;denial&#8217;:<br />
<em>Contrary to a news report published after WND&#8217;s story, the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, or HSLDA, has not worked out a &#8220;deal&#8221; with Dennison regarding families who are members of the Virginia-based group.<br />
HSLDA senior counsel Chris Klicka believes, however, that Dennison will not press the cases of the five families who are members of his group. The HSLDA also has made an exception to its policy, Klicka said, and will allow any of the other families under scrutiny to join. Normally, a family must be a member before it runs into problems with authorities in order to receive the group&#8217;s legal assistance. </em><br />
Now which person could we believe is telling the truth?  A local homeschooler in the middle of that horrid mess or Chris Klicka, who is Ã¢â‚¬Å“allowÃ¢â‚¬Âing others to join? What a deal!<br />
And Carol Severson&#8217;s prediction about the fallout across the state was dead on.  Unfortunately. HoDA, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron is in anothe rprovince at the moment, but I dug up another link to the legislation:
http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/educationguide/pol-plan/polregs/112.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron is in anothe rprovince at the moment, but I dug up another link to the legislation:<br />
<a href="http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/educationguide/pol-plan/polregs/112.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/educationguide/pol-plan/polregs/112.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: hornblower</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>hornblower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you repost the legislation link pls? I get a page at Alberta Queen&#039;s Printer saying that page doesn&#039;t exist..... 

Very interesting post. Here in BC, we&#039;re still enjoying legislated authority to homeschool as we wish. However, many homeschoolers were lured into &#039;distance ed&#039; programs where they get $ for resources etc &amp; now the requirements for reporting etc in those programs are tightening. 

Our provincial hs organization is watching carefully to make sure that the right to &lt;b&gt;really&lt;/b&gt; homeschool in the hands-off option is protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you repost the legislation link pls? I get a page at Alberta Queen&#8217;s Printer saying that page doesn&#8217;t exist&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Very interesting post. Here in BC, we&#8217;re still enjoying legislated authority to homeschool as we wish. However, many homeschoolers were lured into &#8216;distance ed&#8217; programs where they get $ for resources etc &amp; now the requirements for reporting etc in those programs are tightening. </p>
<p>Our provincial hs organization is watching carefully to make sure that the right to <b>really</b> homeschool in the hands-off option is protected.</p>
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		<title>By: O'DonnellWeb</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/that-organization-ii/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>O'DonnellWeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Homeschooling and Segregation...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ron draws an interesting parallel between HSLDA and government in the post Civil War era. One of the results of......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Homeschooling and Segregation&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Ron draws an interesting parallel between HSLDA and government in the post Civil War era. One of the results of&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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