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		<title>By: Atypical Homeschool.net &#187; Unschooling Hypothesis - for eclectic homeschoolers everywhere</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Atypical Homeschool.net &#187; Unschooling Hypothesis - for eclectic homeschoolers everywhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As a preamble to explaining the title of this post, I feel obligated to describe the history of the hypothesis I am going to pose here. A couple weeks ago, I wrote the following: What I believe is the main philosophy of unschooling is to refrain from teaching a child that it needs to be taught. In the last 5 years, my youngest has learned to feed herself, to walk, to talk, to compose sentences, to communicate complex ideas, to draw, to paint and many other skills. She has a substantial understanding of the world in which she lives and of the functioning of the human body. For many of the things I have listed, she learned them because she saw us doing them and knew that they could be done. For the remainder, our role in her learning has been to provide her with access to resources, to answer her questions and to respond to her needs and wants such as reading to her. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a preamble to explaining the title of this post, I feel obligated to describe the history of the hypothesis I am going to pose here. A couple weeks ago, I wrote the following: What I believe is the main philosophy of unschooling is to refrain from teaching a child that it needs to be taught. In the last 5 years, my youngest has learned to feed herself, to walk, to talk, to compose sentences, to communicate complex ideas, to draw, to paint and many other skills. She has a substantial understanding of the world in which she lives and of the functioning of the human body. For many of the things I have listed, she learned them because she saw us doing them and knew that they could be done. For the remainder, our role in her learning has been to provide her with access to resources, to answer her questions and to respond to her needs and wants such as reading to her. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJFR - Definitely. One of the things we always tried to do is give them as broad a range of &#039;movement&#039; as possible within the confines that the freedom wasn&#039;t placing them at risk of  danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJFR &#8211; Definitely. One of the things we always tried to do is give them as broad a range of &#8216;movement&#8217; as possible within the confines that the freedom wasn&#8217;t placing them at risk of  danger.</p>
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		<title>By: WJFR</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>WJFR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;necessity&quot; aspect is an important one.  A child that was always caught when she started to fall would eventually learn that she &quot;needed&quot; to be caught, or that the people around her THOUGHT she needed to be caught.   Sometimes we overteach and overprotect, and give kids the message that they NEED an expert to do their taxes for them (incidentally, I don&#039;t do mine -- DH does!).  

Even my handicapped child seems to learn best when he&#039;s allowed some freedom to make mistakes, to learn his own capabilities.  He learned to walk just short of two, but required more &quot;support&quot; than most kids -- a fisher-price walker was worth its weight in gold in providing him with security in his first steps!

But providing this environment for a child at a higher level does seem to take plenty of thought and planning.  Most kids learn to walk one way or another, that seems to be built into the normal system of development and they see it modelled all around them, universally; but not all people through history learn how to read, any more than we today &quot;naturally&quot; learn how to use a broadsword or dance a madrigal.   We learn what&#039;s important by what we see around us as useful and important.   

So again, often &quot;necessity&quot; plays a role in our education -- schools provide a certain form of &quot;necessity&quot; even if it&#039;s a bit artificial, in the form of grades and required schoolwork;  and unschoolers have to provide a form of necessity as well, but hopefully in a more real-world, relationship-oriented manner.  That&#039;s how I see it, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;necessity&#8221; aspect is an important one.  A child that was always caught when she started to fall would eventually learn that she &#8220;needed&#8221; to be caught, or that the people around her THOUGHT she needed to be caught.   Sometimes we overteach and overprotect, and give kids the message that they NEED an expert to do their taxes for them (incidentally, I don&#8217;t do mine &#8212; DH does!).  </p>
<p>Even my handicapped child seems to learn best when he&#8217;s allowed some freedom to make mistakes, to learn his own capabilities.  He learned to walk just short of two, but required more &#8220;support&#8221; than most kids &#8212; a fisher-price walker was worth its weight in gold in providing him with security in his first steps!</p>
<p>But providing this environment for a child at a higher level does seem to take plenty of thought and planning.  Most kids learn to walk one way or another, that seems to be built into the normal system of development and they see it modelled all around them, universally; but not all people through history learn how to read, any more than we today &#8220;naturally&#8221; learn how to use a broadsword or dance a madrigal.   We learn what&#8217;s important by what we see around us as useful and important.   </p>
<p>So again, often &#8220;necessity&#8221; plays a role in our education &#8212; schools provide a certain form of &#8220;necessity&#8221; even if it&#8217;s a bit artificial, in the form of grades and required schoolwork;  and unschoolers have to provide a form of necessity as well, but hopefully in a more real-world, relationship-oriented manner.  That&#8217;s how I see it, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you answer this question for me, because I think this is where I&#039;m having the most trouble: What is the history behind the term &quot;unschooling&quot;? From my perspective, it sounds like a term rooted in a belief that schools are inferrior and perhaps should be done away with. Why not utilize a more positive term, such as &quot;interests-based learning&quot; or &quot;exploratory education&quot; or &quot;self-realization education&quot; The term &quot;unschooling&quot; suggests to me that perhaps unschoolers perceive the public education system as unsalvagable. 

From my perspective, there are already many people of power who create laws that are crippling our public education system. Why declare yourselves loyal to a school-of-thought (pun intended) that includes a negative prefix?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you answer this question for me, because I think this is where I&#8217;m having the most trouble: What is the history behind the term &#8220;unschooling&#8221;? From my perspective, it sounds like a term rooted in a belief that schools are inferrior and perhaps should be done away with. Why not utilize a more positive term, such as &#8220;interests-based learning&#8221; or &#8220;exploratory education&#8221; or &#8220;self-realization education&#8221; The term &#8220;unschooling&#8221; suggests to me that perhaps unschoolers perceive the public education system as unsalvagable. </p>
<p>From my perspective, there are already many people of power who create laws that are crippling our public education system. Why declare yourselves loyal to a school-of-thought (pun intended) that includes a negative prefix?</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna asks, &quot;What if ten years from now your child decides that she would like to become a doctor? Will you be able to adequately prepare her to meet the requirements of medical school admission? We canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t all be experts in everything.&quot;

I&#039;m a math-idiot, but my eldest daughter wanted to be a veterinarian so much, that she worked, and worked to get the experience necessary to qualify for the pre-vet track at university, a track that is math-heavy.  _She_ worked at acquiring the talents _she_ needed, and she did what needed doing. I didn&#039;t have to be the expert, she became her own expert.  She also chose not to get an undergrad degree, but completed the vet-school-necessary courses, took the VCAT and applied to vet school.

I&#039;m a writer.
She&#039;s (almost) a vet -- graduates in 4 months.
Her twin is a computer programmer. (BS)
Her oldest brother is a programmer.  (he&#039;s our public schooler) (BS)
Her younger sister is an actress. (BFA)

What each one &#039;unschooled&#039; is what each one (including the public schooler) chose as a college major.  The &quot;accountability&quot; energy comes from within, not from somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna asks, &#8220;What if ten years from now your child decides that she would like to become a doctor? Will you be able to adequately prepare her to meet the requirements of medical school admission? We canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t all be experts in everything.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a math-idiot, but my eldest daughter wanted to be a veterinarian so much, that she worked, and worked to get the experience necessary to qualify for the pre-vet track at university, a track that is math-heavy.  _She_ worked at acquiring the talents _she_ needed, and she did what needed doing. I didn&#8217;t have to be the expert, she became her own expert.  She also chose not to get an undergrad degree, but completed the vet-school-necessary courses, took the VCAT and applied to vet school.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a writer.<br />
She&#8217;s (almost) a vet &#8212; graduates in 4 months.<br />
Her twin is a computer programmer. (BS)<br />
Her oldest brother is a programmer.  (he&#8217;s our public schooler) (BS)<br />
Her younger sister is an actress. (BFA)</p>
<p>What each one &#8216;unschooled&#8217; is what each one (including the public schooler) chose as a college major.  The &#8220;accountability&#8221; energy comes from within, not from somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: COD</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>COD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what exactly are you getting in a public school that will make a whit of difference when applying to medical schools? In fact, the unschooler with an interest in the medical field will likely spend her teenage years immersed in biology, chemistry, maybe volunteering at a hospital, or doing a myriad of other things all directly connected to health care.

The school kids will have 10th grade health class and maybe a high school chemistry class. Woo Hoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what exactly are you getting in a public school that will make a whit of difference when applying to medical schools? In fact, the unschooler with an interest in the medical field will likely spend her teenage years immersed in biology, chemistry, maybe volunteering at a hospital, or doing a myriad of other things all directly connected to health care.</p>
<p>The school kids will have 10th grade health class and maybe a high school chemistry class. Woo Hoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we live in a democratic and free society, and you are certainly free to live within the tennets of your beliefs.  Don&#039;t forget, however, that even in our democratic socity there are still laws that govern us, so we are not entirely free.

I suppose when I asked the question at EdWonks, I was thinking more in terms of the education of older children and keeping options open for them.  What if ten years from now your child decides that she would like to become a doctor?  Will you be able to adequately prepare her to meet the requirements of medical school admission?  We can&#039;t all be experts in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we live in a democratic and free society, and you are certainly free to live within the tennets of your beliefs.  Don&#8217;t forget, however, that even in our democratic socity there are still laws that govern us, so we are not entirely free.</p>
<p>I suppose when I asked the question at EdWonks, I was thinking more in terms of the education of older children and keeping options open for them.  What if ten years from now your child decides that she would like to become a doctor?  Will you be able to adequately prepare her to meet the requirements of medical school admission?  We can&#8217;t all be experts in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Gem</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Gem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;noone in school ever teaches you how to do them, . . . how does an unschooled child come to terms with things like that if there are no examples of successful behaviour around them.&quot;

I guess if no one in school is taught, the unschooled child isn&#039;t at any particular disadvantage.  Most unschoolers teach their children as they&#039;re going through life, so the unschooled child may even be at an advantage in this example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;noone in school ever teaches you how to do them, . . . how does an unschooled child come to terms with things like that if there are no examples of successful behaviour around them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess if no one in school is taught, the unschooled child isn&#8217;t at any particular disadvantage.  Most unschoolers teach their children as they&#8217;re going through life, so the unschooled child may even be at an advantage in this example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron or Andrea</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron or Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jax,

Taxes are a really good example. When I started my business, I went to see an accountant. They were going to charge me more than the profit the company made for the year to file the tax returns (assuming I provided them with all the figures). It was then that I looked into the possibility of doing them myself (which I have done every year since then).

It illustrates a point that I hadn&#039;t included in the post. A child will also learn to catch itself when he or she loses their balance. But, at that instance they don&#039;t learn so much because they other people doing it as from the necessity of the moment.

I&#039;ve been taught very little of what I do professionally today. I&#039;ve learned most of what I do professionally in the course of &#039;getting things done&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jax,</p>
<p>Taxes are a really good example. When I started my business, I went to see an accountant. They were going to charge me more than the profit the company made for the year to file the tax returns (assuming I provided them with all the figures). It was then that I looked into the possibility of doing them myself (which I have done every year since then).</p>
<p>It illustrates a point that I hadn&#8217;t included in the post. A child will also learn to catch itself when he or she loses their balance. But, at that instance they don&#8217;t learn so much because they other people doing it as from the necessity of the moment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been taught very little of what I do professionally today. I&#8217;ve learned most of what I do professionally in the course of &#8216;getting things done&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Atypical Homeschool.net &#187; Canival of Unschooling #2</title>
		<link>http://atypicalhomeschool.net/articles/unschooling-and-the-need-to-know/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Atypical Homeschool.net &#187; Canival of Unschooling #2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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